The question is whether or not all felons are Democrats. The Democrat party (also known as the Donkey Party) is pushing hard to allow convicted prisoners (irrespective of citizenship) to vote in US elections. It begs the question.
You have to admit that the assumption that underpins this push by the Democrats is that all convicts doing time — are Democrats.
It’s nod difficult for me to take that leap, and agree that they probably are – for the most part.
There’s not much the Donkeys wouldn’t do to grab a vote – from a tombstone, or a convicted felon, or an illegal alien. The “illegal” part seems to appeal firmly to the Party of Obama.
And what you or I think really doesn't matter.
I am a felon. I got a good job working for a friend's dad, and became very good at what I did. My job required me to work in schools, hospitals, city offices, county and state offices, federal buildings and courthouses, and police stations. I got married, and had children. I vote republican…always have. Texas allows voting of felons. Besides the fact that I can never purchase or be in possession of a firearm or ammunition, I have the same rights as a regular citizen. I have no desire to get a passport, but as I understand it, that would be up to the individual issuing them. I hate liberals, dems, illegal aliens, ragheads.
I would agree that most felons are dems; most.
We are out there.
I've no problem with felons who have done their time and are in the community (parole, probation, time served) voting. While incarcerated? Hell no!
President Trump is our first modern President to trying changing our prison system. Nobody else has had the guts.
I posted on a BBS back in about 1992 that criminals were far
more likiely be Democrats. One of my friends asked me how
I could say that. Even if one does not factor in illegal
immirgation, you need to look no further than California
and New York. By the 1970s, both states so watered down their
criminal sentancing guidlines that first degree murderers
could expect to walk out of prison in about 7-1/2 years.
Some stereotypes are true, the Democrat party is preceived as
soft on crime because they are soft on crime! It is a no
brainer. I was coming of draft age in the Nixon era. 9 men
died under LBJ for every 1 under Nixon due to Johnson's gross
micromanagement of the conflict. Any unreformed criminal
is going to be much more likely to vote for the party that
slaps criminals on the wrist!
Only if they don't have a tattoo.
I agree with this guy: felons who have paid their debt to society (as they say) should be granted this participation in how we divvy up our resources, and I would suspect that the felon population of voters as compared to non-felon voters is a fraction of the total, and as such is not a major factor in the poll results. Dems are seeking the felon vote because they are desperate for ANY vote, any vote at all owing to their dwindling mental capacity to reason.
While in jail or on probation I would say no.
I also believe if you receive any government money except for a pension, veterans disability, or military pay you should not be allowed to vote. Government employee or politician and you don't get to vote.
Like the others – I think once their “debt to society” is paid, all rights should be restored. Including the right to bear arms and voting.
And restoration of their gun rights.
Debt paid.
What about prisoners in custody voting. We know that occasionally they appear on ballots and sometimes win elections while they’re behind bars?
I agree on all counts with you.
Pres. Trump is trying to enact prison reform but it remains to be seen how far he’s able to move.
Captive audience, anyone? Sigh…
Thank you for your comments.
One of my friends did time in Nevada for arson. He burned down his wife’s whore house. He’s a Republican. I know other Republican felons, but most are Democrats. At least that’s what the Dem leadership are banking on.
If you are a member of a government labor union, you should not be allowed to contribute to any politician who votes on your salary
Well said, WSF.
A felony conviction should result in loss of voting privileges….AFTER the FULL sentence is served and
any restitution is made a felon should be allowed to
petition a court for restoration of voting rights. If
they can convince a judge they deserve to vote then and
ONLY then can they legally do so.
Depends upon the crime. This "debt to society" concept is odious. I'm glad you put it in scare quotes. If violent felons were only let out when we knew they were non-violent, I wouldn't mind restoring firearms rights. But since all too often, they're still violent gang-bangers, I'm not willing to take the risk except upon case-by-case petitions to the government. Fuck'em. Do the crime, suffer the punishment(s). Some punishments are permanent. They're just lucky if the death penalty wasn't the permanent part.
@Ed, it's not a "debt". It's a punishment. Sometimes it has the desired effect, but likely as not, it hasn't. So a violent felon — just no on firearms except on a case-by-case basis. I could be convinced to allow firearms within the house for self-defense, but for some of these turds getting turned loose way too early, an untraceable bullet in the head from a victim's family member as they walked out the gate would be more appropriate. "Debt," my ass. They're being put away to protect us from them, and all too often, it's not nearly long enough. Non-violent felons — totally different situation.
+100
@Anon, I know you're out there. I've known and worked with a couple of guys like you. I don't mind visiting rights once sentence (including parole) have been served, but for violent criminals, firearms rights restored only on a case-by-case basis. Except maybe within the home for self-defense. Maybe. Depends upon the crime. Anyway, glad you've done well, and I only more were like you.
I'd be fine with restoration of voting rights to reformed ex-cons, if and only if we re-created a criminal justice system which actually effectively punishes people convicted of crimes instead of just putting them on "alternate welfare" for variable time periods.
Of course, this would mean that a lot of the worst offenders would be dead, and thus no worries about restoration of rights.
Since that's never going to happen, I oppose restoring rights after serving their sentences.
Prison shouldn't be about improving the lives of prisoners, it should be about punishing them and providing vengeance to society for their transgressions.
-Kle.
It's a debt. The debt is paid by punishment.
If they are a danger on release by having a gun, they should not be released.
They'll find a gun. Or a knife. Or a hammer.
Case by case sounds like red flag laws.
So you trust judges, eh?
Not me.
Full restoration at end of sentence.
Rights are rights.
Only terminated by death.
No I don't trust judges……but COUNTLESS career criminals complete 100% o there sentences and this type of career criminal should NEVER have their right restored. But plenty of people who have inadvertently fallen afoul of the system need some mechanism to return to society and while not a perfect method the judicial system IS set up to deal with the issue.
Except, so far, in Florida, where felons have had the vote right returned, the felons are more often than not registering as Republican. Weird, huh?
We shall have to see what really happens, but this may be encouraging.
No, punishment is punishment. It's not payment for anything. Just because that phrase has been sloppily used even by judges doesn't make it correct. Now, how do you propose keeping still-violent offenders in jail, especially when you have more than few empty-headed prosecutors and judges imposing light sentences on those poor, poor victims of a cruel society?
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