Cooperating with China

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CHINA TRADE DEAL  (part one)

You can read the entire 94 pages of the trade deal on the Fox News website.  There are a number of people including me, who feel that the Chinese will cheat since they’ve been doing that with every agreement that the US has signed with them. If that turns out to be the case, there will be no part two and trade sanctions will follow.
I know that some of this blog’s readers would rather get into a nuclear exchange to find out who is left standing when it comes to US/China relations. You have the right to your opinion. However, there are others (many of whom live in targeted cities on both sides of the pond) who feel differently. Having traveled to China, having dealt with the Chinese government(s) at some level, having done business with companies in China and having met with many Chinese people, I think that we can all get along.
Part of the problem with the calculus is that we’ve had crooked American politicians – Creepy old Slow Joe Biden and his criminal son, Hunter, come to mind. They take billion dollar bribes and end up selling this country down the river. You could blame China. I feel that Creepy old Vice President Joe is to blame. Of course, there are a lot of cronies and the mainstream media that will run top cover for him because they have filthy hands too.
Anyway, it’s a new world and we have a trade deal. Hopefully there is a way forward.
China’s economy has taken a lot of hits from the US under President Trump, they have a disaster in Hong Kong and Taiwan is flipping them the middle finger. They want the deal so that they have predictability. So do people in the US who do business with them.

12 thoughts on “Cooperating with China

  1. We'll see how this deal goes. China has in its DNA a cheating chromosome, they just do. And they do not consider failing in living up to an agreement as something bad. If they come out ahead, then it is a good thing, most Chinese would agree.

    Of course they hate it when things go poorly for them, and they don't seem to be able to connect the dots, or do the math: when they cheat today, there will be consequences. This hasn't been the math for the last 40 years or so, since Judy Bochenski, Richard Nixon and their ping pong diplomacy team opened the door to the west.

    But there are now new rules in play: cheat = penalties. Tariffs, sanctions, all of this stuff is new and unwanted by China. We'll see if they can adapt to negative reinforcement.

  2. Peace is better, as long as the PRC doesn't end up owning the world.

    Besides, the prime time moment for a strategic first strike is 30 years gone.

  3. At last we seem to have a President that genuinely wants to put his own country first. Must've come as a shock to the Mandarins.

  4. I suspect that they'd wait for Slow Joe, who they own, or Bernie, a fellow communist, if they thought that President Trump would be impeached or defeated at the polls. The sanctions and tariffs are hurting and they don't want another year of that. So Part One (a one-year deal) is in place. If President Trump wins, there will be a Part Two. If not, Comrade Bernie or Uncle Joe will cave.

    It's a cynical calculus on their part, but if you watch CNN, the defeat of President Trump is all but assured.

  5. They own Africa, they're trying to buy South America and have mixed results. Asia knows what they're up to and depending on which country we're talking about, there is push-back.

    We can only speak for the US.

  6. Yes, having a President who isn't interested in enriching himself or turning us into a communist country (Obama said, "change and rearrange America"), spending the national treasure on the weather, or disarming in the face of enemies is strange indeed.

    Americans are becoming accustomed to prosperity as the new normal. They are forgetting the eight long, humiliating years of obamanation. They assume that if Bloomie or Warren are president that it will continue. There is another false assumption that if we disarm ourselves that the government will leave us alone.

  7. I well remember my father's words. "The only thing an Asian understands is a boot on his neck". My father was a CBI vet, learned to speak Hindi fluently, and was a fair minded man. He was also a hard headed realist. I don't think he was far off the mark.

  8. I can't get the image out of my mind.
    Chinese organ harvesting.
    So the tool looks great, might(possibly, somewhat, maybe) hold tolerance, and is 1/4 the price of American.
    They say they cut them out alive.
    That is a hard circle to square.

  9. Of course China will cheat on this trade deal. Cheating, lying, prevaricating and deceit are part and parcel of politics in general and Socialist/Communist politics specifically. The default negotiating position of ALL Socialists/Communists is "What's mine is mine, what's YOURS is negotiable". It is pointless, foolish and usually dangerous to EVER negotiate with an ideology whose core values is NOT coexistence but total conquest. This applies to both Communism (which always includes Socialism) and islam.

  10. I don't know much about international relations, except for that which I have seen myself, or been close enough to, that I could see it happening from the effects.
    I worked at a place that made steel for the investment cast industry and for jet engines. Two different ends of the factory, two different processes, one was melted in the open air, one was melted in a high vacuum, and was extremely high tech.
    We had a salesman who was from Sweden, and he went to China, in the late 90's. He was brought into a room, left there, and then 2 men came in and literally beat the living hell out of him, told him " we don't like your kind in our country" and left him bleeding on the floor. His host came back in and acted like he didn't know what was going on.
    It was almost as if this was just a part of doing business over there. This salesman went there again, with no problems. Sold our steel to them, at least what was allowed by international and United States laws. We have a lot of laws on what companies can sell overseas, for export, and steel for a lot of various components, and metallurgical knowledge is one thing that has a lot of controls on it.
    They wanted to buy some steel for jet engines, the most advanced type we made. At that time, we did not sell it to them, I believe it was not allowed by the U.S. Government. It was an alloy that we developed, and the cost to buy one heat, 8,000 pounds, was around 10 million dollars, back in 2010. I don't know how much it costs now. Even if the patent has expired, it is not something that just anyone will be able to do.

  11. Thank you for sharing your experiences and observations here on the blog.

    Sometimes it helps to travel to places such as China, as we're able, to broaden our view of things. China in the '90's was a very different place than China today. Having said that, caution is always called on particularly in dealing with China.

    At the same time, we have similar problems with parts of Europe. Similar – not the same, but caution is called for there too.

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