A number of years ago, I attended an “Oathkeepers” meeting, just to see what they were all about. I recognized three FBI special agents, who I knew personally, attending the meeting. When they saw me, they sort of panicked and asked me not to ‘burn’ them. Because I was seriously underwhelmed by the “Oathkeepers”, I didn’t burn them and I never went back.
Paul L. Quandt wrote, “The problem with revolutions is that more often than not, they produce people who are more of a threat to life and liberty than those who were overthrown. Pendulums and all that.”
The Oathkeeper organization fizzled as far as I know. Many of the people who were the loudest there had NEVER taken the oath or support and defend the Constitution of the United States agains all enemies, both foreign and domestic as part of what they did for a living. My impression was that a lot of them had personal grievances. Some didn’t want to pay their taxes (who does?), some didn’t want water in the public system to be fluoridated (Water fluoridation is the controlled adjustment of fluoride to a public water supply to reduce tooth decay.), some voiced their concerns about UFO’s. Since the FBI considered it to be a subversive organization they must have spend millions of dollars nationwide to send special agents in to take down Oathkeeper’s names.
Even though I’m technically on Christmas vacation, spending time with the kids and grandkids, things pop up and I found it interesting from speaking with people in my old haunts about how FBI employees have been redeployed to Virginia, to keep a close eye on the Second Amendment advocacy. You see, advocating for a close adherence to the Bill of Rights is apparently cause for the FBI to infiltrate. And if you’re asking yourself what “legitimate” reason the FBI would have for doing that, I will suggest that it’s just as legitimate as taking out an ‘insurance policy’ to defeat President Trump.
Are there FISA applications in regard Virginia patriots? Oh, most certainly. You can’t go to the local magistrate anymore to obtain a Title Three wiretap because so many of them were appointed by President Trump. The alternative is to go to a “secret court” that won’t have regard for the rights of citizens because “Russians” have inserted themselves into the ranks of the patriots. You see where this is going, don’t you? There don’t have to be Russians. The FBI’s perjured oath that there are Russians is enough for the secret courts.
Thanks for finding part of what I wrote to be worth including in your post.
"Many of the people who were the loudest there had NEVER taken the oath or support and defend the Constitution of the United States agains all enemies, both foreign and domestic as part of what they did for a living."
Those of us who have taken the oath have, perhaps, a greater understanding what we in the USA have that makes this country special. As a young person, seeing the barbed wire border ( similar to what was shown in the film ' The Great Escape ') with the guards carrying the PPSHs, made a profound impression upon me. I KNOW what we have here is unique and precious in the world. It is one of the reasons that so many people are coming or trying to come to this country. Even those people who are unhappy with some of the things happening here and say that they will leave if this or that happens, are STILL here.
Well, I guess that does it for my morning rant. Thank you for your indulgence.
Thanks for the post.
Paul L. Quandt
yeah, kind of funny how people advocating for adherence to the Constitution are considered subversive. well, they are going to have there hands full in Va.
The Democrats have been advocating for a 'living Constitution', which means that they can re-write it whenever they please so that it will give force of law to whatever trend they're advocating at the moment. You can only presume that the FBI as an institution must support that concept.
Taking the oath and living the oath means that it's not just a few words printed on a page.
Any group starting up is going to, in the words of Robert Heinlein, attract 'all the long haired men and short haired women.'
In self defense, the start up group needs to have a good vetting process.
Frank
I fear the old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times," is coming to pass. I hope for the sake of my grandchildren that times don't become even more interesting, though I'm not optimistic.
The Virginia pilot scheme might get interesting, especially when the millionaire commies order the NG to fire on their families.
But maybe it's a moot point given a Trump landslide 2020.
Seeing that East German border circa 1965 leaves an indelible memory as do rounds going over your head as the snipers fired on "escaping criminals".
Two things stand out about the gun grabbers vs the rest of us. First, they don't respect us and our values. They most likely never will. Second, they don't fear us in the sense we will come after them with violent intent. Do we want to change that? If so, how.
As I recall it used to be that working for the government was less lucrative than the private sector. It was considered a downgrade suited for those "less than" (in some disciplines, not all). This has been reversed. Same with University prof's who have gotten too big for their skinny jean britches.
When working in an "official" capacity is better than private business then what you cite is what happens…and far too much is now done in the dark so no one sees the nefarious activity (again, some aspects must be done in secret).
For the government to once again "work for the people" this must be reversed, only then will those in office (at all levels) respect their "oath", taken or not.
To your first point–funny you should mention that. Found this over at Irish's place–
theferalirishman.blogspot.com/2019/12/rip-junior-johnson.html
To your second point–
"Individually, we do not bear arms because we are afraid. We bear arms
as a declaration of capacity. An armed man can cope – either in the city or in the wilderness – and because he is armed, he is not afraid.
The hoplophobe fears and, yes, hates us, because we are not afraid. We are overwhelmingly "other" than he, and in a way that emphasizes his afflictions."
Jeff Cooper
Read that earlier this morning. No arguments here.
Part of the problem is the full time bureaucrats. By their very nature, they come to believe that they are not longer the servants of the citizens of our country, but to believe that they are the masters. As long as we, the citizens, allow this attitude to prevail, we WILL be the subjects of these " masters ". The professional civil service was created to correct the evils of the ' spoils ' system; but ( as I commented earlier ) the cure is worse than the disease.
One possible solution to this is that there be a very small cadre of bureaucrats and everyone else spend some time working in the bureaucracy. A number of years ago, I developed and wrote down a model for this; but it involves a huge change in the structure of our society. I think that our situation would have to become much worse that it is currently for many people to be ready for such a disruption. ( Insert French expression for ' such is life ' here. )
This seems to be my morning for ranting on LL's site. Again, thank you for your indulgence.
Paul
"…become much worse that it is…" The ' that ' should be ' than '.
Sorry 'bout that.
Paul
Love Ramirez, he cuts right to the quick with his toons! Re VA, I'm pretty sure that anybody with VCDL is high on their lists… Again…
I've only been shot once. And that left a lasting impression.
I love Heinlein. He saw the world through a very clear lens.
As to vetting, the FBI does have a good backstop program for their deep cover folks who live their cover. Most don't, though. ATF has a very good backstop program for their deep cover people, some of whom I know personally.
It's interesting enough for me right now.
A Trump win will put a monkey wrench in the plans of the communists, freaks, misfits and nere-do-wells.
The North didn't fear the South. They never felt that the South would take up arms – until they did.
The government is so big and unwieldy that managing the swamp in any coherent way is very challenging. I don't have a problem with civil servants being compensated adequately for what they do. Since leaving government I charge a lot more than I did when in harness.
Mexico works on the spoils system. You pay cash to the police or you go to jail. Then you pay cash or the judge sentences you to a long term. And the government doesn't feed you in prison. You need to work that out from people outside. A spoils system isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
You're going to be fighting WSF for the bunk next to the stove at the re-education camp.
"I don't have a problem with civil servants being compensated adequately for what they do."
Me neither…I have a problem with them becoming wealthy and forgetting their charter, caving to backroom deals and lobbyists buying favors. (Certainly the majority don't fall into that category, but enough do to make it a problem. Cancer usually starts innocuously small. Time to excise with a huge scalpel…or STIHL 661 with a long enough bar for a clean cut.)
Point! Major snark.
There was nothing in my comment which ( I believe ) indicated that I favor or am advocating a return to a spoils system. I just was pointing out that what we have now ( a professional bureaucracy ) is, in my belief, worse that what it was supposed to cure.
On the other hand, I don't think that our spoils system was quite as bad as the Mexican system. However, not having lived under either one, I may be wrong.
Paul
The Mexican's would tell you that their system represents an unofficial form of taxation. Only those with money are extorted and imprisoned until they pay the mordida. Poor with no money or assets are not squeezed.
Congress people shouldn't be able to become millionaires during their tenure based on schemes and corruption. The Biden Klan are instructive in this.
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