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Northern Arizona – in the Winter


Bullet Points:

** Housekeeping – This blog used to be sited on  Google is going through old posts and either deleting them or adding warnings if they don’t meet the community standards of 2023. Given that some of them go back a few years and nobody views them now –  who cares really? I’m only bringing it up because they’re censoring. One day and I don’t know when you’ll only be able to view the blog from outside of the USA.

** Smuggling Chinese – from Legal Insurrection – The four people came to America on a raft across the Rio Grande. The Chinese nationals paid a smuggler $35,000 each to help them cross the border.

Texas DPS Trooper Chris Olivarez said: “This is an example of how much money is involved with human smuggling and how it strengthens transnational criminal organizations who exploit the vulnerabilities from illegal immigrants and expose the open border policies imposed by the federal government.”

The Chinese who don’t want to be caught pay bigger money to be smuggled through tunnels. These were the cheapskates.


What’s Wrong with Colorado, Louisiana, and Nevada?



Mutinies in 1797

In 1797 some mutinies in the Royal Navy made the round, two are to be emphasized at this point. Here is a short list :


The mutiny in Spithead, a ship docking area near Portsmouth, lasted about four weeks, from 16 April to 15 May 1797, when sailors from a total of 16 ships of the canal fleet under Admiral Alexander Hood, 1st Viscount Bridport, protested against living conditions on board Royal Navy ships and demanded wage increases.

In 1658, the level of hiring for seafarers had been fixed, i.e. it had remained almost unchanged for more than 100 years. Wages and prices remained stable until the 1760s, until after the Seven Years’ War (1756-1763), however, there was progressive monetary devaluation. In addition, since the 1760s the hulls of ships have increasingly been covered with copper plates so that British warships no longer had to call at ports regularly to clean the hulls. The additional time at sea changed the pace of life of the sailors decisively. The Royal Navy made no attempt to incorporate these changes into its planning and was slow to understand their impact on the teams. Finally, the composition of crews from voluntary sailors and pressed men from the inland led to tensions and dissatisfaction during wartime.

The mutineers were led by elected delegates who tried for two weeks to negotiate with the admiralty mainly about better pay, the abolition of a purser’s pound, and the replacement of some unpopular officers. Neither flogging nor pressing was mentioned. The mutineers maintained their daily naval routine and discipline on their ships (mostly with their regular officers) and also allowed some ships to leave the berth for patrolling. They also agreed that if French ships were sighted they would end the mutiny and leave immediately.

As the mutineers were suspicious, especially with regard to the promised pardons, negotiations initially failed, and there were several incidents in which some unpopular officers were sent off ship and others were treated with contempt. When the situation calmed down, Admiral Lord Howe intervened and presented an agreement that was largely acceptable to the mutineers, as it included the King’s pardon for all teams, the removal of some unpopular officers, a wage increase, and the abolition of the purser’s pound. As a result of the mutinies of Spithead and The Nore, the worst grievances in the Royal Navy – bad food, brutally enforced discipline, and withholding pay – were mitigated or abolished.

The mutiny leaders remained anonymous, even after the agreement. Rumor has it that HMS Royal George quartermaster Valentin Joyce was one of the leaders.

The Nore

Inspired by the example of their comrades in Spithead, the sailors also began to mutiny near the Sandbank Nore, a mooring in the Thames estuary near London. On 12 May 1797, the team took over the HMS Sandwich. The crews of several other ships, which also anchored there, followed them, while other ships tried to sail away secretly, although they were fired at with cannons by the mutineers on the ships. It was more difficult to organize this mutiny centrally because, unlike in Spithead, the ships were further apart, but eventually delegates were elected for each ship.

The sailor Richard Parker was elected president of the fleet’s delegates. He was a former helmsman who was demoted in December 1793 and tried before a military court but was reenlisted in 1797. On 20 May, Admiral Charles Buckner was presented with a list of eight demands that were essentially those of the mutineers of Spithead but also demanded that the King dissolve Parliament and make immediate peace with France. These demands were made by the Admiralty, which only wanted to accept the Spithead concessions and the immediate return to service.


The mutineers blocked sea access to London, and also prevented merchant ships from calling at the port of London. On June 5, 1797, Parker gave the order to let the merchant ships pass. Only the Royal Navy ships should continue to be blocked; the reason given for this order was that passing the merchant ships would make a good impression on the people ashore. However, the mutineers may have been overburdened with a total blockade of the busy Thames. After the mutiny in Spithead was successfully ended, the government and the admiralty were unwilling to make any further concessions, partly because they assumed that some leaders of the mutiny in London were pursuing further political goals.


Nore Mutiny Elected Delegates in Council or Beggars on Horseback Cartoon by Isaac Cruickshank

The mutineers were denied food, and when Parker signaled that the mutineers’ ships were all to sail to France, the other ships refused to follow, and the mutiny failed. Parker was convicted of treason and piracy and hung on the Sandwich. 29 other leaders were executed, and others were whipped, arrested, and deported to Australia. However, most mutineers were not punished.

After the mutiny of The Nore, Royal Navy ships no longer rang five times after the dog watch, as this was the signal for the beginning of the mutiny.

Other Mutinies

In September 1797 the crew of HMS Hermione mutinied in the West Indies. The British frigate was to protect merchant ships that brought coffee, cotton, and tobacco from the Caribbean. The ship was commanded by Hugh Pigot, one of the worst martinets in maritime history. Plagued by self-doubt, he was prone to cruelty and uncontrolled outbursts of anger. During a Caribbean storm, heavy gusts of rain swept over the Hermione. Pigot sent his people into the masts to catch up with the wildly beating sails. He cursed, everything was too slow for him. Whoever was last down again, he threatened to have beaten back up the rigging. Hectically the sailors climbed down, and three of them fell to their deaths. Pigot’s answer: He had the survivors flogged.

The following night the accumulated hatred, fired by rum, turned into violence. Two dozen men attacked the sleeping Pigot with knives, sabers, and axes. Then the officers were tugged on deck, slaughtered, and thrown overboard. After the slaughter, the sailors danced to the music of a flute.

On 27 December, the crew of the HMS Marie Antoinette killed their officers and abducted the ship to a French port in the West Indies. Other mutinies took place off the coast of Ireland and at the Cape of Good Hope, attacking the fleet of Admiral Jervis off the Spanish coast.

1797 wasn’t the best year for the Royal Navy.

25 thoughts on “This and That

  1. “Hugh Pigot, one of the worst martinis in maritime history.”
    In some alternate universe where Ian Fleming wrote Casino Royale with the “benefit” of autocorrect, Bond likes his martinets shaken and not stirred.

  2. I was under the impression that, except for Opelousas which had a grandfather exemption, that Louisiana voted for Constitutional carry several years ago.
    The latest discussion is no permit conceal carry…

        1. No, only open. Which is weird.
          One benefit is that accidentally exposing your weapon is not “brandishing”.
          I frankly am opposed to open carry.
          Scares the sheep.

    1. As best they could. Remember that ONLY seamen could be pressed – legally. Sometimes landsmen woke up hung over with a lump on their head and bound for Shanghai.

          1. The rules about who could and who could not be impressed were clear. The idea revolved around seamen who served on merchant ships and could be impressed during times of war to serve the crown. It never applied to the population at large because the average landsman was useless at sea. It took years of grindingly hard experience to create an able seaman who could work the sheets in rough weather and not tumble to their deaths. There was a fixed number of sailors in old blighty and merchant shipping offered better pay and working conditions (usually) with more port calls of a longer duration. Flogging, keel hauling, flogging around the fleet, and other maritime punishments were less likely to be applied to merchant sailors as was death in combat.

  3. Beautiful area of the world you live in LL and thanks for another interesting history lesson.

  4. va is a shall issue state and are now considering cc, but the senate is dem. maybe next time. it has always been an open carry state….explosion and smoke trail over billing montana. not the chink spy balloon, its supposedly over missou. one over argentina too. maybe the aliens have come to harvest us, like pigs put on islands for later use by ships.

  5. What’s wrong with Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Louisiana? Large liberal-socialist-minority hell-hole cities control the vote. Like in every other state.

    It’s what’s screwed over Florida from going full Constitutional Carry. RINOs from Libtard cities screwing us over.

    1. A friend in the news biz told me that they’re always checking to make sure that they don’t tell the truth by mistake.

  6. THAT picture, absolutely stunning piece of God’s handiwork.

    Colorado? I’ll repeat for the sake restating the obvious: Half of California moved here and the rest are trust-funders with nothing else to do but hang out in Lefty urban bastions drinking their soy latte’s or Tibetan tea while dreaming up emotional laws that 80% of the state has to then follow, regardless of Constitutional authority. But they are the first to demand police show up when they feel slighted.

    1. Colorado. 64 counties. 6, with the most populations, are (P)regressive. Add 4 more trust fund snot infested and there is your answer. In the other 54 counties most sheriffs tell the Governor and his fellow travels to piss off.

      1. And that happens in every Dem run state, the urbanite locust swarm, another tactic the Dems use to maintain power. What Denver, Boulder, Fort Collins, and Pueblo want, the rest of get to live with. The real question is how to change the “overrun” dynamic to something more…dare I say…equitable?

  7. In Nuevo Mejico there are 5 Republican state legislatures who have introduced HB 164 which is Constitutional Carry. it probably won’t pass since Republicans are in the minority in both houses.

    Neither Nuevo Mejico nor Louisiana offer LEOSA so residents that are retired LEO can’t participate.

  8. Last night it was 18 below here at the house in Foster. Tomorrow they’re predicting a high of 48, so that’s a 66 degree shift in 36 hours; New England-style hilarity at it’s best. Not as pretty as that view out there, though.

    “What’s Wrong with Colorado, Louisiana, and Nevada?”

    You might as well ask what’s wrong with Mass, R.I. and Conn, the answer’s the same – Democrats.


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