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The debate prep edition had to go out as an extra…





Bullet Points:

** Buckler or Shield? The old controversy is renewed. Sword fighting in 2024? Of course. Edge or point, LSP? You should know the answer to that one.

** Visiting Angels – America’s choice of home care.

** “… the greater part of the population is not very intelligent, dreads responsibility, and desires nothing better than to be told what to do. It is perfectly happy to let itself be ruled if the rulers do not interfere with its material comforts and its cherished beliefs.” ~ Aldous Huxley

** Following a fearless investigation, researchers will determine that drinking milk is no better than putting on a white hood and burning a cross. Academics at an Oxford museum are researching the ‘political nature’ of milk and its ‘colonial legacies.’ One of the experts involved has previously argued that milk is a ‘Northern European obsession’ that has been imposed on other parts of the world. Dr. Johanna Zetterstrom-Sharp said the assumption that milk was a key part of the human diet ‘may be understood as a white supremacist one,’ as many populations outside Europe and North America have high levels of lactose intolerance in adulthood.” There is also this, but you may wish to disregard it.

Then there is fermented horse milk, also known as airag or koumiss, a staple of the Mongolian diet and a traditional Mongolian beverage. It helped the Mongols conquer Asia, much of Eastern Europe, and the Middle East. The milk is fermented using natural yeasts and lactobacilli bacteria in a horsehide bag, often hung outside a yurt. The milk is usually left to ferment for a couple of hours after reaching a temperature of around 80°F (27°C). Stirring the bag a few times when entering or leaving the yurt is customary to encourage fermentation. The finished product contains 1–2% alcohol and healthy bacteria that can aid digestion and strengthen the immune system. Airag is slightly alcoholic and nutritious, and it can sometimes replace meals during the warmer months.



Identify the Aircraft


  • Crew: 3
  • Length: 10 m (32 ft 10 in)
  • Wingspan: 13.25 m (43 ft 6 in)
  • Height: 3.2 m (10 ft 6 in)
  • Wing area: 26 m2 (280 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 2,870 kg (6,327 lb)
  • Powerplant: 2 × Fiat A.74 R.C.38 14-cylinder air-cooled radial piston engines, 618 kW (829 hp) each
  • Propellers: 3-bladed variable-pitch propellers
  • Maximum speed: 545 km/h (339 mph, 294 kn)
  • Cruise speed: 468 km/h (291 mph, 253 kn)
  • Range: 1,200 km (750 mi, 650 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,000 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 15 m/s (3,000 ft/min)
  • Guns:
  • 3 × 20 mm (0.787 in) cannon
  • 3 x 7.92 mm (0.312 in) machine gun
  • Bombs:
  • 4 x 106 kg (234 lb)


All-metal single-engine, low-wing monoplane that was used during the Spanish Civil War & early WW2



Not a photoshop



Parting Shot




66 thoughts on “Extra

      1. You two are colluding…no way (heh)
        ….either that or Surly is Russian misinformation and “the AI” isn’t real as signed off in a letter by 51 Fibber Magoo’s…
        (How many more propaganda lines can I toss in there ahead of tonights charade to make the point what we are shown is bogus?)
        – That said…Surly is definitely a force to be reckoned with…incredible.

        1. Wrote that wrong…meant “HB” in both places…iPad screen size typing without coffee…not a good combo.

    1. I’d sign up for the pay-per-view. It would be worth spending my hard-earned money on. Alternatively, we could have gladiatorial games with politicians in the octagon matched against hungry lions or prisoners who would receive benefits inside for a slow kill. It’s not as if it hasn’t been done before.

      1. Yes! Thow Crybaby Kinsinger into the middle of a cock fight to get pecked to death. Slow painful. AOC tossed into another part of the arena with rabid chipmunks and Hyena’s. And another small ring in the arena with hungry starved genetically modified pigs for the worst violators. Or maybe a small pool full of Piranha where they would be pushed off a 20ft diving board blindfolded with a cinderblock tied to their ankle.

          1. “If the woman don’t find you handsome they should at least find you handy.” (h/t RedGreen)…Good to employ creativity in such matters.

          2. I would have kept going but I had a meeting. I was hoping you guys would pick up or I left off.

  1. Identify the Aircraft:
    1. Ikarus Orkan
    2. Breda Ba.65
    3. Rogožarski SIM-XIV-H
    4. Antonov An-2F
    5. Antonov An-32 Cline

        1. I’m not a joiner…if I worked for CNN I’d rather be having a stale donut and lousy burnt coffee in the break room. I mean look at what happened in Mecca, 1000 adherents died in the desert heat worshipping the obelisk thingy while walking tightly packed around in a circle. (Do they still get the 72 virgins?)

          1. I pity the women, but many liberal crones have died who could be miracled back to virginity in the next life, and the Shieks are welcome to them.

  2. Stupid People- Know a person who – as I have discovered – advocates for illegals. Said, “But you’re an attorney, you know the law, they are in this country illegally…meaning they broke our laws just being here, how can you advocate for them? Response: “They have Constitutional rights.” (Or the oft heard other platitude, “The immigration system is broken so it’s unfair”, or some such nonsensicla statement designed to deflect.)
    – The spouse wrote a sad lament poem about that illegal a number of years back who drowned while carrying a little girl across the Rio Grande…so proud of it. This cretin stole this little girl to use as access fodder then was planning to traffic her after he got here.” (As was suspected then discovered as correct) Response: “That’s not true.”
    These are the same people who think they are saving their home from a potential fire by mowing down all their trees…on property they bought because of the trees. This is what I get to deal with, suspect I’m not the only one in that boat dealing with these types who simply cannot, will not, see the folly of their stance…even if you show them facts and video. Tonight the MSM Propagandists will say how vigorous an opponent The Husk is, then repeat it a 1000 times on every network how he handily trounced Trump. Total folly while our Nation burns to the ground by these damnable people (with their collective heads up their…) who tell us not to believe our eyes and ears. If Chinesium-Sauced Biden doesn’t short-circuit on live TV I’ll eat my favorite ballcap…altho, there’s still time it gets cancelled.

    1. Fire safety. Love the trees on my property and continue to plant more as time goes on. I did get an attention step last year from a nearby fire and spent quite a bit of time uplifting branches on the trees to 8 feet, cutting out dead branches, and clearing out the sagebrush underneath them. I have not finished that project but it is on hiatus until the fall rains. The results don’t look bad, just a little more manicured. I also dropped 4 tree, all within less than 5 feet from my barn. Hated to do it because …tree, I like them.

      1. I had inmates from the local prison (supervised, not escapees) thin the saplings on the White Wolf Mine property. I like trees too, but it’s just good forest management to do that.

        1. Makes you both “Normies”…aka, those with common sense. Have discovered, moreso now, there is zero ability to convince the Liberal or Lefty mind of anything, they are their own cults, having drunk their own Kool-Aid.

      1. Conferred was her stance….because…kid you not… they are on our soil. Hers is not an unusual assertion as the Left have blurred the law to mean whatever they want…because…activism when they don’t like the rules. Same deal as with the anchor baby myth…not anywhere in the world except here, and it’s not even here, just repeated as a “conferred right”. It’s tortured logic…and stupid and dangerous.

      1. “Studmuffin is his middle name” would sound great on CNN and drive the ‘ladies’ of the View cray-cray.

  3. exactly why do they camouflage airplanes, then paint a big red dot on it?…..there was one of joe getting ready, sitting in a room full of meds…..i’m shocked something big hasn’t happened yet to cancel the whole debacle/debate. they planted the isis illegals story again so i hope trump’s troops are ready. if putie wanted to throw the world into utter chaos he would drop a 20 megaton on atlanta tonight. make it a real hot ‘lanta.

    1. Would anyone actually miss Atlanta? The place seems to have become a trainwreck.
      When they rebuild, they could include a functional airport and highway network.
      – Kle.

  4. I have no intention of watching the debate tonight, I’ll be playing with the grandkids which is much more important than listening to two people who will be saying things we already heard.
    Aldous Huxley. The man had a point.
    At one time during Carnival in Quebec I drank what I was told was fermented mild…sure tasted like it. I remember quite a bit more of a kick than 1 or 2 % alcohol. Spiked probably.

    1. “milk” not “mild”. Sigh, it was anything but mild. And “d” is nowhere even close to “k”. Not even the correct hand typing wise. Wish I could blame the keyboard but it is all me fat fingering things.

      1. ‘Readers’ are your friend Ed…hehe (look at me above, “Surly” for “HB”…gotta give credit where due, especially with obscure airframes).

          1. Obscure to those of us who are less educated in such equipment or gear…heck, even if it’s a one-off design/build prototype. But nothing…and I mean nothing…gets past the Surly/HBSS/OTHERS, and You genius-level ID game. Altho, it’d be one heck of a view, and someone (maybe they did) should have covered the entire air frame in Plexi, call it the Habitrail Stealth AN-3, airmen outfits could be periwinkle to “blend” with the sky.

    2. It’s not what they say, it’s how they’ll say it. It will be like watching NASCAR. You’re not looking for how they drive. You’re looking for how they crash

      1. Watched the last half…for grins. I kept yelling, “Hey Joe, over here!” As he was looking off to the left with those black devil eyes. Swear I saw an earpiece. Once a cheater always a cheater. A week and 16 handlers on a practice set specially built didn’t help…at all.
        Trump was excellent…anyone who refuses to see the galactic differential needs a one-way trip to Go@#$&yourselfstan…free burkas for all demented participants. (Yeah, not very Christian on the surfsce, but the gloves are off. Brood of Vipers comes to mind, from both John the Baptist and Jesus. On one side we have a man who wants to do right by We The People despite he could be living out his remaining years very nicely…on the other is a beady-eyed snake whose modus operandi is hypocrisy, deceit, and wickedness.)
        SISU MAGA ™

          1. It was one of a handful of bogus questions, but you are correct, some things you play along with for the greater win. Surprisingly Bash and Tapper were actually decent, and the format was very good to keep things in line. The split screen helped Trump while showcasing Biden’s declining cognition.
            – Best comment: “Don’t need the Hur tapes anymore.”
            – Chris Stigall this morning: “The Dems are now in “Shucking the Husk” mode.

  5. Since not owning a TV for several years, I won’t be watching the ‘debate’. If I did have a TV, I would be watching re-runs of HeeHaw instead of the debate.
    My constant theme. The winner of the election will be determined by who counts the votes.

    1. X3…I have enough brain damage already (about half self inflicted), don’t need to acquire more. Besides, I can get the reports afterward by those who know better and will tell me what to believe. (snark)

  6. That guy doesn’t have any idea of how to use a heater shield, as far as I can tell.
    He ought to use a kite, anyway.
    I’m not convinced of the real efficacy of a buckler, of any size. I really dislike the
    flappiness inherent in the single center boss grip. I suppose maybe for rapier
    work. Honestly, I think the real utility of small shields like that is for carry
    purposes in the civilian role. Certainly if you’re just going about your business
    and want to be armed for self-defense, you don’t want tom be lugging around a
    kite shield, and something is better than nothing.

    1. Even then, most combat was undertaken as a shield wall (or modified shield wall—like a wall of pikes backed up with handguns) function. I think that most of the bucklers were for civilian use. They were like rapiers and gauches. The style was more for dueling than it was for formation fighting.

      1. Some say their worship of cattle is animal slavery and oppression…by the same people who want to destroy our cattle industry…because…Gaia.

  7. I’m guessing the next big thing will be rainbow colored milk. It will satisfy the narrative, possibly increase nutrition for those that definitely need something to increase their brain function, and only a racist would think otherwise.

    1. Do you remember the straws you could buy that would turn milk strawberry or chocolate? A collection of politically correct straws might solve the dilemmas of the woke.

      1. Add a bit of vibrancy and color to that boring white milk. Huzzah!
        But let’s give some thought on the exact implementation, eh? Mixing 10% liquid diarrhea into 90% milk does not improve the diahrrea, but it certainly messes up the milk.

  8. I’ve heard forever that the point always beats the edge. But I don’t know how shields change that , if at all. I’ll wait for High Executioner Beans to weigh in and educate me.

  9. They ‘really’ don’t understand those ancient belief systems… They want to go back to them? Fine, let’s do it! WE get to choose who is the high priests though… :-)

  10. The Political Nature of…..Milk?….These people have waaay too much time on their hands. It’s just another attack on the cattle industry. They sure want to feed us the manufactured crap, don’t they?

  11. Concerning shield vs buckler, it is obvious that the presenters have not fought extensively with medieval weapons, especially while wearing armour appropriate to the time period of the shields (and swords) being demonstrated. Furthermore, the shield was not used solely as a defensive instrument (even in shield walls). In the late medieval period once full plate armour became the norm shield use greatly diminished even in judicial combat. Even in the joust, the shield became more of a “special effect” designed to break apart dramatically when hit rather than a true defensive implement.
    Bucklers were primarily seen in civilian duels in which body armour was rarely worn.
    In the Renaissance era the shield wall had, by and large, been superseded by massed pike formations but there is evidence of bucklers and small round shields being employed by certain members of Landskenect units.

  12. Ah, Shields and Bucklers. The answer is… It depends.

    DanH does a good job of pointing out that bucklers were for individual vs individual, usually in a duel or specific type of fight. The buckler, surprisingly, is rather effective due to geometry. The buckler is held out far away from the body so the cone of coverage gets larger closer to the body. Hold a flashlight pointing towards the wall about oh, say, 6′ away. Now have someone put a dish against the wall. Very little coverage. Move the dish closer to the flashlight and the cone of coverage of the dish gets larger. Simple geometry.

    The buckler is also lighter and easier to move. Wee…. Somewhat larger bucklers, like the Scottish targ, work the same way. Silly small center-boss shields, held far away, blocking the movement of one attacker. Which works well within the confines of a bunch of pikes and allows the buckler-er to force an opening and then press into the pikemen. (That’s the only real use of a buckler or small center-boss shield in combat.)

    In individual vs individual fighting is a lot more mobile than you’d think. Take Olympic Fencing (please, it sucks, please take it away) and throw away the back-and-forth of strip fighting. Make the field, called, in-the-round, and allow sideways movement and the buckler allows for better visibility and can be used to smack the opponent.

    You really use the buckler or targe as a flat ‘weapon’ for parrying and blocking the other’s weapon. Simple as that. And you can bash with it or if it has a spike, stick said spike into the enemy.

    Medium shields or large shields, especially cross-strapped-shields (where you strap the shield onto your forearm) are better in a battle situation. Medium to medium large ones are best for open field, while large shields are for massed shield combat. You hold the shield with your elbow tucked into or towards your body while your forearm is at a 45 degree up-angle or straight up, though 45 degrees is far more comfortable. Pivot the shield up, down, side to side using your elbow against your body. If your shield is larger, you can add a guy-strap, basically a belt that goes from upper corner, around the neck and shoulder, to lower corner of shield and you let the weight of the shield ride on your shoulder. It works. You can roll the shield up and down, slide it side-to-side, move it flat against you or canted away towards the enemy’s weapons.

    As to the shield blocking vision, so? Duh! But as any fool knows, the human body moves on two triangles connected at the top of the hip. Shoulder to shoulder to hip. Hip to foot to foot. If you know where the shoulders are, you know where the arms are. If you know where the feet are, you know where the hip is. Funny, you can see the shoulders and the feet behind even a big shield, let alone a medium to medium-large shield. All of which you can see over the top of your own shield.

    You also don’t need your shield (unless facing multiple opponents) totally covering your torso. When facing a same-handed person as you, you only need to make your shield cover your shield side, as your opponent needs to shift radically to get past your middle (covered by the edge of the shield) and you can see the shoulders do that movement.

    I, personally, can fight using a small center-boss shield but I can do things with a medium or large cross-strapped shield that makes it very hard to hit my body. I’ve easily defeated a longer-sword and buckler or targe while using a medium-sword and a medium shield, because I can see his movements and know where he is and he’s a lot easier to hit.

    And it really comes down to… what weapons, what shields, what armor, what rules you’re working with.

  13. As to using the edge or point of the cavalry saber, it depends. After most of Europe dropped metallic body armor before the Napoleonic era, cavalry clothing got lots of braid, roping and multiple layers of wool, silk and linen (often layered with the warp of one layer at 45 to 90 degrees to the next, basically making like modern aramid body armor. Enough of said braiding and roping and layering and it makes it hard for the edge to cut the target. Thus the point became more prolific, and with curved blades, turning the curve downward to allow an easier removal.

    If you look at American ‘cavalry’ during and after the American Civil War, our cavalry was light in comparison to equivalent European cav. Of course, we live in a hotter climate where 5-6 layers of wool and linen and all that braiding and roping would overheat our troopers. Plus we fought them as light cavalry, fast horses, not laden with a lot of equipment, yada yada. So our cavalry used the slash, even sharpening (narrowing the edge) but not making them razor sharp. Which is great for disabling an opponent, which at the time was as good as a kill for that battle.

    Point vs Edge is a thing that’s been around since Day One of edged weapons. During the early medieval period, tourneys were fought with regular weapons but often restricted the use of the point, edge only. Yeah, you could still mess someone up with the edge, but points kill, especially when punched through into the central torso (with the following sepsis and slow lingering death…)

    Thus, edge vs point is not a simple question. It depends. Depends on the time, depends on the enemy, depends on whether you’re going for disabling or for killing.

  14. My dear RHSM,

    I agree with Beans, of course, but as we both know the DLC favors point but has been known to slash. Then there’s the, ahem, debate. Was there ever such a shipwreck in the history of history? And we have to ask, why did they let him do it, right there, live, for all the world to see. I call take down, but that’s just me.

    Walk, trot, canter, gallop, RUN!


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