I didn’t want to comment on the looting in Minneapolis before now because the predicate act for the discontent of the inner city  went like this:

George Floyd, committed a felony by passing counterfeit US currency. I don’t know how much he had, and where else he’d passed it. but the Minneapolis police caught up with him. Reading the tea leaves, he was a big guy and didn’t go quietly. He may have had a panic attack. At some point, the police put him on the ground because he was resistant at some level. We’ll see that when the body cam footage is made public (if it ever is).

Police officers may use reasonable force. They didn’t gas Floyd, shock him with a taser, club him with batons or shoot him. They did put the big man on the ground.

We’ve all seen the photos and it looked bad. But the Postmortem showed that he was not asphyxiated, his neck was not broken. He likely had a heart attack while he was on the ground, struggling. He had a history of heart disease.

The police have a duty to care for a prisoner in custody and they failed in that responsibility. Because of that, one or more will be charged with manslaughter. Whether or not the manslaughter was voluntary or involuntary has yet to be determined, but it will likely be involuntary if they were following the department’s use of force guidelines.

This will disappoint the inner city people and progs who would like to see the police executed.

Summaries

George Floyd shouldn’t have been out committing felonies by passing counterfeit currency. The Minneapolis Police Department should have taken better care of George Floyd. That doesn’t mean that he would not have had a heart attack or a stroke while in custody, but the police are not without significant blame. If he was in medical distress, they could have called paramedics. The looters were looting for the fun of it. They didn’t care about the 170 businesses they destroyed or about the deceased, George Floyd. It was an excuse to burn and steal.

George Floyd lost. He died.

The Minneapolis Police in general lost a police station. And somehow they retained a police officer who has regularly received sustained complaints of abusive behavior. Never a good idea.

The four officers involved in the poorly handled arrest of George Floyd lost their jobs, their careers and some may lose their freedom for a short term.

The getto city of Minneapolis lost businesses that will not return. People lost their livelihoods, people lost their homes when low income housing was burned. There won’t be neighborhood stores for the poor to shop at.

The poor neighborhoods lost effective police service. In the future officers will take their time responding to calls, allowing the George Floyds of this world to escape. The officers will take reports, and little more. The poorer the neighborhood, as a rule of thumb, the better off the poor are when the police aggressively pursue criminals. The police have a duty to care for an arrested person, but there is no legal duty to respond quickly, or to respond at all.

The Minneapolis Police Department will find it difficult to recruit the best and brightest. Not that they did that in the past, but it will be tougher in the future. The median salary at MPD is $60K/year. The starting pay is much lower. Morale will hit rock bottom after they abandoned a police station to rioters. They will be mocked by officers from other agencies. Removing the yellow stain will take decades. The qualified officers will lateral transfer elsewhere. The dregs that nobody wants will remain – and be promoted.

36 COMMENTS

  1. As soon as the cuffs went on and he was prone on the ground the massive “use of force” the three cops on top of him were using should have ended. Once prone with hands cuffed behind back all it takes is one officer to keep someone from standing up. Kneeling on someone for nearly ten minutes goes far beyond reasonable. And while it is a high order probablity that the deceased had some underlying health conditions or may have been under the influence of drugs it’s also a high order probability that he would NOT have died if he hadn’t been pinned to the ground for almost ten minutes. Having a couple of bodies kneeling on your neck, back and abdomen causes a phenomenon called “positional asphyxia”. It’s a physiologic condition where your diaphragm and rib muscles cannot expand your lungs enough to exchange enough air to achieve proper O2 perfusion. In the early stages a victim can be conscious and talking and yet they are NOT GETTING ENOUGH AIR. This same mechanism can cause death to construction workers who get buried…..even if their face is above ground they can’t breath deeply enough to exchange enough air in and out of the lungs…..so they die. I have no doubt that is what happened in this case. The man on the ground could talk at first….but he WAS hypoxic and getting more so with every passing minute. And somewhere during the almost ten minutes he was being knelt on he passed the point of no return in regards to blood oxygenation, passed out and went into cardiopulmonary arrest. Sorry but this is a clear cut case of abuse of force leading to a death that was easily prevented and totally unnecessary. In short this is a case of manslaughter. What he may or may not have done prior to the handcuffs being put on is irrelevant.

    • The question of intentional manslaughter vs unintentional manslaughter extends beyond what you accurately characterized as excessive force. And the penalties involved depending on what can legally be established are significantly different. The tox screen and pre-existing conditions aside (because they matter to Floyd, but not so much to the law in this situation), the police department’s policies on use of force are what will tilt the direction of the prosecution. The post ruled that he did not die of asphyxiation, and there was no significant trauma to his neck.

      I completely agree with you that hypoxia led to his death based on everything that I’ve seen and read on this case. And I’ve seen my share of police cases. A lot of what I did at the Orange County (CA) District Attorney’s office (depending on my assignment at the time) involved investigation and prosecution of police misconduct.

      Most police departments have very well defined policies on the use of force. In the old days (meaning twenty or thirty years ago) it was common to ‘hog tie’ a resisting prisoner like Floyd. The officer(s) would wrap a rope around his feet as an additional restraint. Sometimes officers used leg shackles, but they are less common outside of institutional custody. The courts subsequently determined that it wasn’t permissible and the “swarm technique” that you may have noticed on TV with rioters taken into custody became and still is in vogue. Four or five officers take the struggling suspect into custody without gassing, shocking, beating or shooting them. That’s usually considered acceptable today. Instead of hobbling the suspect, you “sit on them”. I expect that the ‘Minneapolis Decision’ will call for re-thinking the strategy. However the general ignorant public will only see an “in policy” use of force – involuntary manslaughter ruling and will pronounce it corruption.

      And we circle back to use of force. In this case we have a felony arrest of a really big guy, who doesn’t want to comply. What do you do to take him into custody without gassing (it rarely works), shocking (it works more often than gassing), beating or shooting him? And now there will be a ruling that you can’t take him down and hold him there. (the Minneapolis PD officers clearly exceeded what was necessary in my opinion and it resulted in a man’s death)

      • There’s a world of difference between taking a subject to the ground, handcuffing him and preventing him from standing up and what happened here…..where about 600 pounds of cop squashed this guy into the pavement for about ten minutes, which was ample time to kill him. I have no delusions about justice being served here. “Optics” and the power of the Union will have a much bigger say in what occurs than the facts or the law. But it’s rare to see a more clear cut and well documented case of misuse/abuse of force resulting in death.

        • Well Dan,
          How much time have you spent wrestling and trying to control someone on the ground? It is not easily done, and minus blows or taxing can physically exhaust most people very quickly. A small person (remember, Floyd was 6’1″ or so and 200+lbs) can easily wear out multiple officers just resisting by trying to wriggle free.
          You see there the multiple officers trying to let him exhaust his own energy using only restraining force. Looking at the videos ( there are at least two from different angles tho the media is mainly showing pieces of one) Chauvin has his knee on Floyd’s collarbone, not his throat.
          The affidavit for arrest says Floyd was resisting being put into the police vehicle and complaining he couldn’t breathe while standing before going to the ground and before any knee to neck issue could have occurred. That means the breath problem was more likely a health issue. The medical examiner’s preliminary report says cause of death is a combination of factors leading to a possible heart attack or something similar.
          Additionally, the affidavit says Floyd three himself down while resisting getting into the police car.
          Long story short, a rush to judgement, coupled with sensational reporting and many bad actors changing a protest into riots have lead a terrible incident to become a series of tragedies.
          I’m not defending the officers outright but they didn’t have a lot of options and much of this was beyond their control. Before you condemn them, take time to think things through.

          Retired Cop

          • Btw, if the rush to judgement to quickly charge Chauvin leads to defense attorneys tearing the prosecution case to shreds and him being found not guilty (a distinct possibility, see LAPD 1992 Rodney King) will there be additional riots leading to a civil rights prosecution? In any event, his and the other officers careers are over. Don’t think other cops won t take note of what active policing can lead to. See “Stay Fetal!” in Chicago.

          • My .02 cents briefly – I think that Floyd may have had a panic attack in addition to whatever else that was going on with him personally. It’s not a diagnosis, just an observation. There are a lot of things that go on when a person has a panic attack. In any event the escalation of force – physical restraint – tear gas – taser – club – firearm only got to phase one. The body cams will be an interesting review.

  2. A couple weeks ago a relative died from cancer and its complications over the two years of fighting it. But they listed the cause of death as covid-19. They get more money that way. They found the antibodies in him which truly only showed that he had the virus at some point in the past – whether he knew it or not.

    So I figure they’ll probably find that George Floyd died from covid-19 too.

    • The Chinese Plague has become a scam.

      Federal money is involved and everyone seems to want a piece of the pie. Politicians use it to justify crushing regulations that make no objective sense in most locations because the impact just isn’t that bad. Medical institutions get more money for care provided if the patient dies of the Plague. Therefore they all die of the plague, even if the death is the result of something like terminal cancer or a traffic accident.

      The George Floyd situation – given what we have seen (and I’m joking here) is likely a victim of the Chinese Plague.

  3. And it spreads to major cities all over the country. Atlanta had the animals come out in force last night and they did millions of dollars worth of damage. Who knows how much stuff they looted from the businesses they broke into.

    • Any excuse to loot. Particularly in situations where the police are instructed to stand down and let the inner city people steal whatever they want to.

    • The thin veneer of civilization is peeling off. How long before the people most affected by the savages start responding in kind? Jeff Cooper proposed a solution to riots 30 years ago. Maybe it should be tried.

      • Cooper knew his business.

        People have to decide for themselves how they will react to inner city people destroying businesses and looting.

        For me, it was the coward’s way out. I simply removed myself from inner city people, and cities all together, and found one of the most remote locations in the lower 48 to call home. There comes a time when you realize that if they push you, your reaction will be judged to be ‘anti social’.

        Truth be told, America has tolerated this behavior by inner city people for a very long time. I lived in Los Angeles (a young man) during the Watts riots. This is no different. The police back off and the inner city people steal everything that’s not bolted down.

          • It was a strategic move. Because had I remained, I might have gone medieval on some people. Allow the training to take over.

  4. The rioting has nothing to do with this stupid failure of the MPD, that was just the random trigger.

    This is the cabin fever and stress caused by the Lockdown, and the Covid-19 Panic Industry.

    And so, as usual, the people who feel oppressed and angry will destroy their own neighborhoods and murder each other to protest someone else’s death, purportedly.

    Humans are such idiots.
    -Kle.

      • One demographic group (or family of groups) has been encouraged to do so for at least 50 years, by the American Left.

        -Kle.

        • Don’t you dare point out which one, Kle. Making that observation is equated as a hate crime irrespective of how accurate your observation is.

    • Saw somewhere that Soros claimed that destroying the US would be the ultimate goal of his life’s work. All that pressure cooker buildup from the lockdown (who’s pushing it the most?), and now we have the spark to set things off.
      Almost looks like a plan set in motion.

      • I think that Soros and the anti-Trump people were waiting for a spark to exploit. And they found one. Most of the looters and crooks appear to be bored and, just inclined to be thieves. Part of this is clearly frustration from the plague lock-down. Are they linked? It looks like it but I haven’t seen anything definitive.

  5. What I haven’t been able to learn, was George Floyd first approached in a calm and polite manner? Something along the lines of, “Mr Floyd, you are suspected of passing counterfeit money, and we need to take you in”?

    Kle, you are exactly correct.

    • The body cams will show that. Honestly, that’s usually how it goes, and things ether escalate from there or they don’t. My sense is that Floyd didn’t want to be searched for other counterfeit banknotes and that he fought the officers. They didn’t shock him, gas him, club him or shoot him. They used physical restraint. I admit that it was horribly handled and he expired there on the filthy street.

  6. Your measured take on the situation is spot on.

    Unsure how to take this on though…these two knew each other and some are speculating it was a stunt to, once again, try to hurt POTUS. (Yeah, sounds trite when writing it out, but we’ve seen how far they will go in that vein.) Why this? Why now? Is it real, or Memorex? We shall see. (Point is, When was the last “school shooting”?…that says something.)

    As for the RIOTERS – who are not “protestors” – talk about “staged” outrage. I don’t know about you but I don’t carry Molotov cocktails around with me to set businesses afire, yet that is what modern thugs and thieves do. But as you state, ONE particular segment of the population has repeatedly tended towards this mode.

    Good take LL…let us see how this “next phase” of the lowlife Left runs now that COVID having run it’s course is, dare I say, “passe”.

    • The looters and pillagers are being encouraged by enemies of the State. That needs to be handled in its own way. I could do it. Any competent person in the business could do it. The FBI is too busy polishing its apples and the State of Minnesota is restrained by progs. So it won’t happen.

  7. I agree with Kle, it’s now cabin fever.

    I just hope the retail outlets destroyed were already failed businesses – why would anyone not terminally stupid torch somewhere they use themselves (in normal times)?

    Guess it’s time for an after-dark curfew with a shoot-to-kill policy. The rioting must be stopped ASAP, otherwise it’ll spread uncontrollably to all cities.

    • From what I’ve heard, a lot of those businesses were doing ok, but naturally struggling on the heels of the Chinese Plague shut-downs. Now they don’t have to worry about re-opening. Or if you’re going to re-open, not there. Maybe some nice upper middle class suburb instead.

  8. Not Gray’s Elegy:

    The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,
    The scowling crowd surge wildly through the Mall,
    The policemen safely watch, out of the way,
    And cede the shops to looters, big & small.

    I’ll get my coat…

  9. This is not the previous race riots where the blacks are burning out their neighborhoods. The protests were multi racial, and included many of the same people that PEACEFULLY protested the unarmed, pajama clad Justine Damond murder by Minneapolis Police Officer Mohamed Noor. X

    The primary area in Minneapolis that was trashed, looted and burnt Thursday and Friday Night was the miles long East and West Lake Street, which was a major Commercial Street with small businesses and restaurants used by the whole city. They also hit the diverse and upscale Uptown neighborhood and other pockets of commercial property throughout the city. In Saint Paul they hit the Midway area of University Ave, which was another commercial boulevard. Reportedly they also looted scattered spots in the inner ring suburbs too.

    If you watch the Saturday 1:30 am and 9 am Governor Walz press conferences, they actually admitted most of the arson and looting is instigated by Antifa and other radicals from Minnesota but mostly out of state. They also admitted that they can’t or won’t arrest anyone (<50 arrested in both cities Friday Night), and didn't enforce the freaking curfew at all. They also expect this to go on for days (duh! Start arresting people, and get trouble makers off the street.)

    Expect the shenanigans to spread to the suburbs tonight, Saturday Night.

    • RD, it will go on as long as the politicians say it should go on. No more, no less. They have an agenda and they could give a rat’s ass how many businesses are destroyed and how many lives are ruined.

  10. I think it will become clear that there are at least two groups here, the looters, just out for what they can get, and the people rioting for political ends. The looters are predominately black, the rioters/activists seem mixed, with lots of whites. Probably a big antifa component with support from Soros and activist democrats.

    • Old Surfer, I have NO problem with protesting. Express yourself. It’s a right. When that crosses the line, something would happen if the FBI was on the ball, and they’re clearly not. The looting and the community agitating and the funding for same is a conspiracy and it needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

  11. “[George Floyd] had a history of heart disease.”

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    • That would have made a big difference to Floyd. You forgot that he’s not supposed to pay for his RX with counterfeit US currency. But it would be racist to suggest THAT.

      And by that snarky comment, the officers had a DUTY to care for the guy to the extent that they could. However the four ‘evil’ officers were: Asian, Hispanic, Black and White. You couldn’t have asked for more racial diversity. The looters and protesters glossed over that.

  12. Notice that the stuff they steal no food stuff to feed their families no milk,meat or eggs no poultry or bread nor any veggies just stuff they can sell on the Black Market so they can afford their filthy drugs

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